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false claims

It is not true that emissions trading "doesn't harm industrial concerns", unless we are comparing emissions trading to traditional regulation. When we impose a pollution cap, we induce firms to undertake costly emissions-reducing procedures. No free lunches. Neither is it true that environmental groups can hoard credits without imposing the same sort of cost, for hoarding credits is just a way to lower the emissions cap.

A counter claim (Developed by Paul Hawken in "The Ecology of Commerce" is that because "dumping carbon into the atmosphere" has been essentially "cost free" at present, it has harmed industrial concerns by increasing costs to future generations, our communities and the non-human environmental services. As such, not having a cost for carbon dumped into the Atmosphere represents a "hidden subsidy" from those who will pay the costs to those who haven't paid - and as Sir Nicholas Stern said in the Stern Report, represents the greatest market failure in history. John D. Croft 12:35, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The notion that emission of carbon "has harmed industrial concerns by increasing costs to future generations" is unscientific rubbish typical of this way of thinking. No link has ever been established between the emission of carbon gases and anything in the future that might need remedial action of any kind. It is simply fashionable posturing amongst modern socialists and guilt-mongers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 154.20.129.40 (talk) 02:09, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Move to strike the above comment on "unscientific rubbish" due to biased language and lack of signtature Pbmax (talk) 17:09, 26 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sources

This I found multiple links in this article that are broken (because they are old) and can no longer be used as a verifiable source of data or information provided. For example, citation 4 had one and also another paper The Australian newspaper source. There might be more but I have not gone through all of the citations. Krishnapatelberk (talk) 23:22, 28 October 2018 (UTC)krishnapatelberk[reply]

Citation 17 https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jenvman.2005.05.014 does not contain the referenced information about EU limits and US cap and trade. The entire article is about the benefits of Title IV controls, and that they worked better and cheaper than expected. Pbmax (talk) 17:15, 26 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Pbmax: The entire section is dubious at best, with misreadings and/or bad sources. The section (and other comments in the article) was made by a user who seemed to be on a crusade against emissions trading, the change was made here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Emissions_trading&diff=prev&oldid=876816910 Econoglu (talk) 20:45, 25 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Carbon trading platforms list

Which online trading platforms exist to convert carbon credits (CER’s, ...) to actual currency (crypto or regular). I currently only know of one: Nori.com Add info to section on this page, redirect from List of carbon credit trading platforms --Genetics4good (talk) 16:32, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Water Quality Trading

I note there is no Wikipedia article on water quality trading, or effluent trading. Should this topic ("Water Quality Trading") be a sub-section of the Emissions trading article ? (though strictly speaking "emissions trading" applies to air pollution, while "effluent trading" is the term that applies to water pollution). Or, should it be a separate Wikipedia article ? Nkings12 (talk) 18:26, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It should be a separate article. JArthur1984 (talk) 18:43, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ensure minimal overlap with carbon emissions trading

The way I understand this article is that its focus is on emissions trading in general but NOT about the carbon emissions trading as that is covered at carbon emissions trading, and we don't want more overlap than necessary. The hatnote also explains this. I noticed that you, User:Hedgehoque made a very large edit here in 2021. You said in the edit summary: "big exchange with Carbon emission trading: exported all carbon / climate related paragraphs as requested, imported economic theory". (as requested where?) So this conforms with my way of thinking for this article, right? I think what has happened since then is that other users keep adding content back in that should rather be at the carbon emissions trading article. So we need to tidy this up a bit. EMsmile (talk) 10:24, 19 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've just changed a whole bunch of redirects that were redirecting to this article to rather redirect to carbon emissions trading, for example anything to do with "cap and trade" or "emissions trading". My reasoning is that in current usage, emissions trading is mainly used for the carbon emissions trading and far less often for the other pollutants. So readers and potential editors are more likely to want to go to carbon emissions trading. You can also see in the pageviews how the views for emissions trading have gone done and those for carbon emissions trading have gone up, see here. EMsmile (talk) 13:37, 19 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]